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51 Down, 30 To Go

After this afternoon’s 14 inning win over Milwaukee, the Pirates are sitting pretty at 51-30. Not only are they the first team to reach 50 W’s, but they’re actually on pace for 100 victories. I’m not saying they’ll pull that off, but just the idea that the Pirates would be in this position, is almost inconceivable.

This pretty much guarantees Pittsburgh of a .500 season. Sure, mathematically they could still go 29-52, to finish at 80-82, but how likely is that? I haven’t worked out the math for that, but I’m pretty sure it’s pretty close to 0% chance.

With only having to go 30-51 (.370) for about half a season to make it to the hallowed 81 win mark, I seriously can’t see this Pirates club playing worse than that for a full half a season. I’m sure some of you are thinking that I’m gettin’ ahead of myself, ’cause Pittsburgh finished the past two years with stretches of 19-43 (.306) in 2011, and 16-36 (.308) in 2012.

While those winning percentages are both far worse than the .370 that the team needs to maintain this year, the amount of games in those slumps were also much smaller. If the Pirates suddenly go on a .308 pace from here on out, it means they’ll go 25-56. That’d leave them only 5 wins short of 81 for their whole season. We know that anything can happen in 5 games over the course of 81. It could be as simple as the ball bouncing in the Pirates favor, or even the opposing team taking Pittsburgh for granted. So it’s not inconceivable for them to win 30 more games even if they suddenly turn back into a pumpkin when the clock strikes midnight and July starts.

51 down, 30 to go.

Puig’s WAR

Baseball Reference’s version of WAR, shows that in just 60 PA, Yasiel Puig’s already leading the Dodgers batters in the stat—

  1. 1.6 – Yasiel Puig
  2. 1.5 – A.J. Ellis
  3. 1.4 – Adrian Gonzalez
  4. 1.2 – Carl Crawford
  5. 1.1 – Juan Uribe, & Nick Punto

Fangraphs version of WAR works a little different, but still Yasiel Puig is catching up with everybody. In fact, he’s already as valuable as Adrian Gonzalez.

  1. 2.0 – Carl Crawford
  2. 1.5 – A.J. Ellis
  3. 1.2 – Yasiel Puig, Adrian Gonzalez, & Juan Uribe

Nobody else listed above, has less than 141 PA (Uribe). Yet, Puig’s not even listed among the choices on MLB.com’s official All-Star balloting page, while Matt Kemp is.

Double Length Games

This probably doesn’t interest anyone but me, but after the Yankees & A’s went 18 on Thursday night, we’ve now seen 4 MLB games reach the 18th inning this season. While that’s not a record, it does mean this season has a shot at the record.

1916-2013, Seasons With The Most Games Of 18+ Innings
Games Season
9 1967
6 1918, 1972
4 1969, 1971, 1973, 1984, 1985, 2006, 2013
3 1927, 1968, 1979, 1980, 1989, 2001

Before you ask… I’m only going back to 1916, ’cause that’s currently as far back as the retrosheet records are accurate for game lengths by total outs. All my data is from the retrosheet gamelogs.

Anyway, back to the subject. I doubt we’ll see 5 more games of this length this year, but it’s possible. We might see 2 or 3, so it’s possible this season could end up 2nd or tied for 2nd most.

Another interesting point when looking at that list, is that double-length games were pretty uncommon ’til 1967. Only two seasons before that, show up on this listing. Anyone care to guess why that might be? I’m not sure where to start to try figuring out what changed. It might be the draft. Might be expansion. Might be something unexpected.

We’ve actually had 6 of these double length games in the past calendar year. Don’t get too excited tho, ’cause the same thing happened in late ’84 – early ’85, but then there wasn’t another one for over a year.

Here’s the complete list, along with links to the boxscores & some newspaper article links….

1916 – June 14, 2013 – MLB Games That Ended In The 18th or Later
Date Teams Innings
June 13, 2013 NYA (2) @ OAK (3) 17 (+ 4 outs)
June 8, 2013 MIA (2) @ NYN (1) 20
June 8, 2013 TEX (3) @ TOR (4) 17 (+ 5 outs)
April 29, 2013 LAA (8) @ OAK (10) 18 (+ 5 outs)
September 18, 2012 BAL (4) @ SEA (2) 18
August 19, 2012 PIT (6) @ SLN (3) 19
July 26, 2011 PIT (3) @ ATL (4) 18 (+ 4 outs)
May 25, 2011 CIN (4) @ PHI (5) 18 (+ 5 outs)
April 17, 2010 NYN (2) @ SLN (1) 20
June 07, 2009 ARI (9) @ SDN (6) 18
May 25, 2008 CIN (9) @ SDN (12) 17 (+ 5 outs)
April 17, 2008 COL (2) @ SDN (1) 22
August 15, 2006 ARI (2) @ COL (1) 18
August 15, 2006 CHN (8) @ HOU (6) 18
July 09, 2006 BOS (5) @ CHA (6) 18 (+ 4 outs)
May 27, 2006 HOU (7) @ PIT (8) 17 (+ 4 outs)
July 28, 2005 ANA (1) @ TOR (2) 17 (+ 4 outs)
August 08, 2004 OAK (6) @ MIN (5) 18
June 24, 2004 SEA (7) @ TEX (9) 17 (+ 3 outs)
April 27, 2003 SLN (7) @ FLO (6) 20
August 25, 2001 BOS (7) @ TEX (8) 17 (+ 5 outs)
June 05, 2001 DET (3) @ BOS (4) 17 (+ 3 outs)
May 29, 2001 ARI (1) @ SFN (0) 18
August 01, 2000 BOS (4) @ SEA (5) 18 (+ 3 outs)
August 03, 1996 ATL (5) @ LAN (3) 18
August 31, 1993 CLE (4) @ MIN (5) 21 (+ 3 outs)
July 07, 1993 LAN (6) @ PHI (7) 19 (+ 4 outs)
April 11, 1992 BOS (7) @ CLE (5) 19
June 06, 1991 TEX (3) @ KCA (4) 17 (+ 3 outs)
May 01, 1991 CHA (9) @ MIL (10) 18 (+ 5 outs)
August 23, 1989 LAN (1) @ MON (0) 22
August 06, 1989 CHN (4) @ PIT (5) 17 (+ 3 outs)
June 03, 1989 LAN (4) @ HOU (5) 21 (+ 5 outs)
September 11, 1988 DET (4) @ NYA (5) 17 (+ 3 outs)
May 14, 1988 ATL (7) @ SLN (5) 19
September 02, 1986 HOU (8) @ CHN (7) 18
July 07, 1985 MON (6) @ HOU (3) 19
July 04, 1985 NYN (16) @ ATL (13) 19
June 11, 1985 SFN (5) @ ATL (4) 18
April 28, 1985 PIT (4) @ NYN (5) 17 (+ 3 outs)
September 06, 1984 ATL (3) @ LAN (2) 18
July 13, 1984 SFN (3) @ PIT (4) 17 (+ 4 outs)
May 08, 1984 MIL (6) @ CHA (7) 24 (+ 4 outs)
April 27, 1984 CLE (8) @ DET (4) 19
May 27, 1983 SLN (3) @ HOU (1) 18
August 17, 1982 LAN (2) @ CHN (1) 21
June 09, 1982 CLE (3) @ DET (4) 17 (+ 4 outs)
April 13, 1982 SEA (3) @ CAL (4) 19 (+ 4 outs)
September 03, 1981 SEA (8) @ BOS (7) 20
August 26, 1980 SDN (8) @ NYN (6) 18
August 15, 1980 HOU (3) @ SDN (1) 20
July 06, 1980 CHN (4) @ PIT (5) 19 (+ 4 outs)
August 25, 1979 PIT (4) @ SDN (3) 19
June 18, 1979 NYN (2) @ HOU (3) 17 (+ 3 outs)
May 10, 1979 CIN (8) @ CHN (9) 17 (+ 4 outs)
August 10, 1977 CHN (1) @ PIT (2) 17 (+ 5 outs)
May 21, 1977 SDN (11) @ MON (8) 21
August 25, 1976 MIN (4) @ NYA (5) 18 (+ 5 outs)
September 16, 1975 MON (3) @ NYN (4) 17 (+ 5 outs)
September 11, 1974 SLN (4) @ NYN (3) 25
June 28, 1974 CHN (8) @ MON (7) 18
June 27, 1973 MON (5) @ CHN (4) 18
May 26, 1973 CLE (3) @ CHA (6) 20 (+ 5 outs)
May 24, 1973 NYN (7) @ LAN (3) 19
May 04, 1973 ATL (4) @ PHI (5) 19 (+ 4 outs)
August 10, 1972 CHA (3) @ OAK (5) 18 (+ 4 outs)
August 08, 1972 LAN (1) @ CIN (2) 18 (+ 3 outs)
August 01, 1972 PHI (2) @ NYN (3) 17 (+ 4 outs)
June 07, 1972 PIT (1) @ SDN (0) 18
May 17, 1972 TEX (4) @ KCA (3) 18
May 12, 1972 MIL (4) @ MIN (3) 22
September 24, 1971 HOU (2) @ SDN (1) 21
September 14, 1971 WS2 (8) @ CLE (6) 20
July 09, 1971 CAL (0) @ OAK (1) 19 (+ 5 outs)
June 04, 1971 OAK (5) @ WS2 (3) 21
April 22, 1970 NYA (1) @ WS2 (2) 17 (+ 5 outs)
September 06, 1969 MIN (8) @ OAK (6) 18
August 24, 1969 BAL (8) @ OAK (9) 17 (+ 5 outs)
July 27, 1969 BOS (5) @ SE1 (3) 20
July 19, 1969 MIN (11) @ SE1 (7) 18
August 25, 1968 BOS (2) @ BAL (3) 17 (+ 5 outs)
August 23, 1968 DET (3) @ NYA (3) 19
April 15, 1968 NYN (0) @ HOU (1) 23 (+ 4 outs)
September 01, 1967 SFN (1) @ CIN (0) 21
August 29, 1967 BOS (3) @ NYA (4) 19 (+ 4 outs)
August 09, 1967 WS2 (9) @ MIN (7) 20
July 26, 1967 MIN (3) @ NYA (2) 18
June 17, 1967 KC1 (6) @ DET (5) 19
June 12, 1967 CHA (5) @ WS2 (6) 21 (+ 4 outs)
June 04, 1967 WS2 (5) @ BAL (7) 18 (+ 3 outs)
May 21, 1967 CIN (1) @ PHI (2) 17 (+ 5 outs)
April 16, 1967 BOS (6) @ NYA (7) 17 (+ 5 outs)
July 19, 1966 CIN (3) @ CHN (2) 18
October 02, 1965 PHI (0) @ NYN (0) 18
May 31, 1964 SFN (8) @ NYN (6) 23
June 14, 1963 WS2 (2) @ CLE (3) 18 (+ 3 outs)
June 24, 1962 NYA (9) @ DET (7) 22
August 06, 1959 CHA (1) @ BAL (1) 18
July 19, 1955 MLN (3) @ PIT (4) 18 (+ 4 outs)
July 01, 1952 SLA (3) @ CLE (4) 18 (+ 5 outs)
June 20, 1952 WS1 (5) @ SLA (5) 18
September 07, 1951 CHN (6) @ CIN (7) 17 (+ 5 outs)
July 13, 1951 BOS (4) @ CHA (5) 18 (+ 4 outs)
September 15, 1950 CIN (7) @ PHI (8) 18 (+ 3 outs)
June 09, 1949 PIT (3) @ PHI (4) 17 (+ 5 outs)
June 08, 1947 WS1 (1) @ CHA (0) 18
September 11, 1946 CIN (0) @ BRO (0) 19
July 21, 1945 DET (1) @ PHA (1) 24
August 09, 1942 CHN (10) @ CIN (8) 18
July 05, 1940 BRO (6) @ BSN (2) 20
June 27, 1939 BRO (2) @ BSN (2) 23
May 17, 1939 BRO (9) @ CHN (9) 19
July 01, 1934 SLN (8) @ CIN (6) 18
August 21, 1933 NYA (3) @ CHA (3) 18
July 02, 1933 SLN (0) @ NY1 (1) 17 (+ 5 outs)
August 17, 1932 BSN (2) @ CHN (3) 18 (+ 5 outs)
July 10, 1932 PHA (18) @ CLE (17) 18
August 28, 1930 SLN (8) @ CHN (7) 20
May 24, 1929 DET (6) @ CHA (5) 21
September 05, 1927 NYA (11) @ BOS (12) 17 (+ 4 outs)
May 17, 1927 CHN (4) @ BSN (3) 22
May 14, 1927 CHN (7) @ BSN (2) 18
July 07, 1922 NY1 (9) @ PIT (8) 18
August 09, 1921 SLA (8) @ WS1 (6) 19
May 03, 1920 BRO (1) @ BSN (2) 18 (+ 4 outs)
May 01, 1920 BRO (1) @ BSN (1) 26
June 01, 1919 PHI (10) @ BRO (9) 18
April 30, 1919 BRO (9) @ PHI (9) 20
August 04, 1918 WS1 (6) @ DET (7) 17 (+ 4 outs)
August 01, 1918 PIT (2) @ BSN (0) 21
July 17, 1918 PHI (1) @ CHN (2) 20 (+ 3 outs)
June 13, 1918 SLN (8) @ PHI (8) 19
May 24, 1918 CLE (3) @ NYA (2) 19
May 15, 1918 CHA (0) @ WS1 (1) 17 (+ 4 outs)
August 22, 1917 PIT (5) @ BRO (6) 21 (+ 5 outs)
June 28, 1916 PIT (3) @ CHN (2) 18

The 40 Inning “Game”

it’s not even half way thru the season and we’ve already seen a 20 inning game, a 19 inning one, and an 18 inning. It’s rare to see just one game that’s twice as long as regulation in a season, but we’ve already got 3. In fact, the Blue Jays have almost played two of these, ’cause in addition to their 18 inning game yesterday, they also played a 17 inning game just the previous weekend in San Diego.

That, reminded me of something I found a couple years ago when I was searching through some old newspapers about the longest games. Back in 1945, the A’s needed 40 innings to beat the Tigers. Unfortunately, it doesn’t officially count as 1 game, but it really isn’t much different than one, ’cause they needed to play all 40 innings to get a W out of it.

It all began on July 21, 1945, just a few weeks before World War 2 finished, when the A’s and Tigers spent 24 innings trying to get the better of each other. The umpires called the game on account of darkness. Amazingly, that game only took 4 hours & 48 minutes. These days, some regular season games go on longer than that, but at the time, this was the record for elapsed time of game. Seriously, yeah.

Unfortunately that game didn’t count in the standings, since it ended in a tie. I don’t think they did the suspended game thing back then. If the Tigers weren’t leading the AL by just 2 games, they probably never would’ve bothered to try playing it again. But, they were caught up in a pennant race with the Senators and every win or loss, would be important. There were no wild card’s back then, so it wasn’t like the 2nd place team would still get a shot in the playoffs.

So, the Tigers played a makeup game on September 12, after their regularly scheduled game against the A’s—

“The 16-inning nightcap was a playoff of the 24 inning tie game which the two clubs played on July 21, the two fracases taking up a total of 40 innings in order to get one decision into the records.” – 2nd ref

If the league had treated it as a suspended game, the Tigers would’ve won it on Jimmy Outlaw’s single to right that scored Roy Cullenbine from 2nd, in the top of the 31st inning. When the A’s came up in the bottom half, they just smacked 3 fly balls for outs.

But since it was being treated as a new game, the A’s got some extra chances. With 2 outs in the 9th, they’d tie the game on a run scoring double by Hal Peck. Moving the game into extra innings. This is the 2nd time they’ve played this game, and both times it’s going into extra as a 1-1 tie. Who’d of thunk it?

A couple innings later, both teams would each score another run. It wasn’t ’til the bottom of the 16th, that the A’s would win it on a walk-off double by Bobby Estalella.

This “two-for-one game” is obviously fascinating for a lot of reasons, but even though it’s not a single game, I think it should be remembered as one of the longest. After all, it all had to be played in order to get one single victory.